4 October 2024 - Club News

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Excellent ...

Très bien.
Bonne fin de semaine à tous.

Add Sunday?

So Sunday isn't a day of rest?
Just kidding.
See the groups in the next comment. Do you know any others?

All I'll be able to post on Sunday is a photo of Mass - no less valuable than any other, after all.
Kidding too, Laura ;-)

Additions to the list of the Day of the Week groups:

The Sunday Challenge
Note: The admin is the only member of this group, the group has not been active for about two years.

NOT The Sunday Challenge
Note: Same admin as for the group above.
Not clear if this is also a Day of the Week group.

Sunday Challenge
Active group.

Please be advised that the selection provided by the Team contains Day of the Week groups that are no longer active or have an inactive administrator. I propose that responsibility for such groups be transferred to the administrators of the "GroupBusters.

Without intending to offend, I believe that the majority of the groups recommended by the Team are not suitable for sharing photos inspired by the light of the changing seasons.
Furthermore, the ipernity gallery is a flagship for our platform and should be attractive enough to attract potential new members from the internet to us. If this is not or no longer possible due to certain circumstances, I would ask you to consider changing Explore's priorities.

Thank you. We knew Sunday was missing. (And thanks for the details about the groups.)
Are there any other 'days of the week' groups you know of?

Cleaning up groups is a very large ongoing project that has been worked at on and off over time.

GroupBusters was created by Sami Serola when they were active on ipernity. When they became inactive, the team took over working on groups, however, with only four team members there isn't very much time available to be spent on the project. The Groupbusters group is now waiting for someone with time here and there to make progress. Anyone interested in helping groups be cleaned up can contact the team and help move it forward. It isn't complicated, it's just a large ongoing project that needs more people to work on it.

Because of the lack of support from our membership, adding these groups to the GroupBuster list would be ineffectual at this time.

Currently the team is working on transferring groups from our members who have passed on to current active members. Happily many people have offered to take over a lot of those groups, but there is extensive time involved in coordinating even this finite list of group administration and thus the team has no time left to work on the project as a whole at this point.

If you would like to take on part of the workload, please let the team know.

One obstacle to cleaning up the abandoned groups is the rather time-consuming and in some respects bureaucratic process that Sami established. I think more automatisms would be needed so that no lengthy enquiries to various people are necessary.

In my opinion, any procedure is only good if it is largely automatic. Anything else overburdens our community. The human involvement in processing would have to be significantly reduced compared to the current procedure.

Sorry, I don't know any groups other than those already listed by you and the day of the week groups I've added.

The admins of The Sunday Challenge closed the group , deleted members contributions not giving the opportunity to take over, and telling they didn’t want a group being created using the same name so survivors created Sunday Challenge group.
www.ipernity.com/group/daysincolour365

Thanks, Team, I know the development of GroupBusters and the labor-intensive tasks of its administrators. That's why I agree with Bernhard. Without de-bureaucratization and a certain automatism, the work cannot be done. That said, I can understand Bernhard's reluctance "sorting through others’ issues".
Apart from the group I co-administer with him, all the groups I administer were orphaned and in a sorry state. I cleaned them all up and was harshly, and mostly cowardly (behind my back), criticized for it just by members who don't even lift a finger themselves.

Due to the mentality of many group administrators/group moderators, it is and remains a Sisyphean task to clean up all the orphaned groups properly and find a new admin for them if they should not or may not be deleted. Only those who demand the preservation of such groups but are not willing and ready to help themselves should not criticize the deletion of such groups. The group chaos on our platform is bad enough, especially as groups have been and continue to be created that do not comply with the group guidelines. There is no other explanation for all the “Happy” groups, just for example, listed above, which may have different motive specification but serve the same construct as the first group founded in this spirit, “HFF”.

In the past, I have reported orphaned groups when I had the time to do so. If this "would be ineffectual at this time because of the lack of support from our membership", I will of course refrain from further reports of this kind.

Thanks to the Team for the request regarding my help (orphaned groups). I appreciate the trust. But I assume that you know that I spend a lot of time every day, except Sundays and international holidays, manually inviting the images in the Ipernity Gallery for the Ipernity Photo Gallery group and checking them for possible copyright violations.
Due to this time-consuming work and other ipernity-internal tasks I have committed myself to, as well as social obligations outside ipernity, I unfortunately do not see any possibility to fulfill your request at the moment.

A big thank you to the team and everyone else involved in the welfare and preservation of Ipernity!

Thanks for the advice Isabel, I was thinking along those lines.
In that case, I would advocate deleting The Sunday Challenge group to prevent the number of orphaned groups from getting further out of hand.

So ein Verhalten wäre m.E. ein Verstoß gegen die Gruppen-Richtlinien, Punkt 8: Öffentliche Gruppen sind nicht Dein Eigentum!"

Bernhard, the penultimate sentence of the eighth paragraph of the Group Guidelines for Administrators states, “If your group doesn't succeed, dissolve it or merge it with a thematically matching group.”

I don't know the reasons why The Sunday Challenge group was disbanded, and Isabel didn't mention them. However, of course, it would have been advisable for the administrator/s to contact the Team before dissolving the group. In light of the above quoted sentence from the Group Guidelines, I believe that a possible violation can only be determined with certainty if the reasons for the dissolution of the group are disclosed and were not a result of a group's lack of success.

There are two more groups to be added, that I mentioned elsewhere eight months ago.
They could be assigned to the “Days of the Week” groups, expanding the daily framework somewhat. But like the abandoned groups Bernhard confirmed in response to my advice, they are also inactive.

Weekly Photo Challenge

Theme of the Day: Photo Challenge

Indeed, but they did it and went to fl....

Agree, just delete it, it is an empty shell.

Happy to help if I can Bernhard!

I'd like to, Isabel. If I could. ;)

Please see my comment and work I did on the list of groups you made here: www.ipernity.com/group/2632968/discuss/198772/comment/67583850#comment67583850 in the Group Guidelines group.

Some have been deleted, others not. I give complete reasoning and actions in my response here: www.ipernity.com/group/2632968/discuss/198772/comment/68619010#comment68619010

Very well done, Laura! Thank you for that — and not only for that.

Fortunately, you also clarify between the lines a point of view of the ima team, namely that “there are many ways for a member to be active on ipernity, not just adding new photos”. This is significant because the value of a member "not just adding new photos" was vehemently and publicly disputed by a member some time ago, for example in relation to my activities here.

Just one more comment. You ask "to note groups such as these to the team via a Help ticket." However, it is made clear here that the team does not have the capacity to clean up groups such as these on its own. So it is still desirable and necessary for more members to get involved in cleaning up groups, isn't it?

I'm glad I inadvertently was helpful around clarifying what it means to be an active member of ipernity.

And yes, it is very desirable for more members to get involved in cleaning up groups. The point of what the 'team' said above is that we do need help, we can't do it on our own.

We already have one member who has contacted us. I'm happy to direct members to tasks that they can do to help.

Note that final actions with groups will be decided by a member of the team.

I have checked this point. In fact, the administrators of the groups HFW--Happy-Flexy-Wednesday and Orange Thursdays have been inactive for more than a year!

I would also prefer it if such groups were not quoted. This makes a bad public impression.

Incidentally, it reminds me to take up the topic of Group Guidelines again. If there are any other problems that have not yet been mentioned, please do so soon. Please post your issues there: Where does the shoe pinch?

Ok j'ai pris note

One might consider it a benefit to have mentioned those groups here in a club news, where the more active members read, and thus may offer to be admin. But the majority of visitors may simply see them as interesting and be quite unaware of the status of admin.

If anyone is interested in administering a 'day of the week' group that has an inactive administrator, please let the team know via a ticket.

SUNDAY CHALLENGE GROUP: www.ipernity.com/group/509429/doc?with=52654250

Yes, a good and active one.

There is a total of 7455 admins assigned to groups,
of which 1922 have been in-active for over 1 year,
and 1081 for over 2 years.

Writing a routine to demote them will take a good deal more effort that those quick queries.

While it would be great to find someone to handle these tasks, that person won’t be me. Sorting through others’ issues isn’t something I find appealing, which is why I didn’t volunteer for Groupbusters.

In reality, this is much more than just sending 1922 (1081) emails. It involves waiting for replies, following up, addressing special requests, and dealing with long correspondence. Even with dedication, managing two groups per week is realistic, meaning the total volume might take over 10 years for one person to process.

For example, I took on the mosses and lichens group when Neira-Dan passed away. I cleaned it up, added all seven languages, and tried to merge it with the Nature of Lichens and Mosses group. Despite contacting the Admin on August 3 and September 19, 2024, I’ve received no response, leaving me stuck. I’ll also need to find a new admin afterwards, as my involvement was purely to assist the ima-team, not due to personal interest in the topic. Finding an admin will likely be another time-consuming task.

Frustrations like these will arise constantly for anyone in this role. It’s understandable why someone would hesitate to take it on.

Thank you for taking on the 'mosses and lichens' group and for cleaning it up, I appreciate that effort. If you don't care to be its administrator, please let me know and then you can leave the group and I will deal with the group as I am in the middle of handling the groups of members who we know have passed on.

As noted above, Cleaning up groups is a very large ongoing project. No one person needs to step forward to handle the project.

What is needed are individuals who have some spare time to help keep the project moving forward. The team will happily give these volunteers tasks they can accomplish as they have the time.

Thank you for your offer. I will be happy to pass the group on to you after I have completed my task.

However, this individual case is not the problem. I have only outlined it to illustrate the overall scope of the work. Whatever can be automated should be automated. We members should be able to focus on our hobby. Administrative work should be minimized wherever possible.

For example, I could imagine an automated message being sent to the admin after six months of neglect. After a further quarter of a year without supervision, the administration of a group could automatically be handed over to the active member who has been a member of the group the longest.

As the administrator of the group "Ambassador Images", I would like to note here that the editorial team has made its selection from the images submitted for the month of September:



As this group is linked to from the main menu of our website [Explore / Noteworthy], it is part of the public relations work for our club. Thanks to all contributors.

Please note: The images shown in [Explore / Noteworthy] are presented in a random order. You can find the chronological order in the group "Ambassador Images".

Um es deutlich zu sagen: Inaktive Gruppen schaden unserem öffentlichen Erscheinungsbild, da sie den Eindruck erwecken, unsere Gemeinschaft befinde sich im Niedergang. Es ist äußerst bedauerlich, dass einige sich zurückziehen, ohne eine geordnete Übergabe sicherzustellen. Die oben von Rob genannten Zahlen sind in diesem Zusammenhang alarmierend.

Anstatt verzweifelt nach neuen Administratoren zu suchen, sollte das ima-Team erwägen, verlassene Gruppen (nach einer gewissen Frist, beispielsweise 1 Jahr) konsequent zu löschen. Wir haben ohnehin viel mehr Gruppen, als wir effektiv betreuen können.

Sami's great work, not only with and for GroupBusters, has given us the opportunity to realize what really matters in cleaning up neglected, abandoned and inactive groups, etc., what is feasible and what is not. We can only thank him.

In view of the situation presented, I very much hope that our community, together with our ima team, will be prepared to courageously follow the path that is opening up to us, despite possible resistance, and I fully agree with your proposal.

It should be noted that while the group clean up task is large and ongoing (ongoing because we are not a stagnant webiste), progress is being made. When Sami started Group Busters, we had 10,548 groups. We now have thousands less than that.

Details will be noted in the next Club News.

Quand j'utilise la traduction, Deep ne traduit pas tout le texte : les textes en bleu ne sont pas traduits !

J'ai aussi toujours Google Translate

Bei mir (Firefox-Browser) übersetzt DeepL auch die blauen Texte.

Bei mir funktioniert es sowohl im Firefox-Browser (meine Standard-Einstellung) als auch im Chrome-Browser, denn ich manchmal alternativ zu Testzwecken nutze.

I certainly don’t want to be a bother, and I understand that not everyone places the same level of importance on group administration. However, the situation in this group highlights that the issue of insufficient administration is more significant than we've previously acknowledged: www.ipernity.com/group/26273

Since May 2024 (over 5 months now), a total of 7 of my image submissions have been pending approval. One admin has sadly passed away, and the other has been inactive. As much as I support ipernity, this has become quite frustrating for me.

I believe that, at the very least in cases where an admin has passed away, the ima team should step in promptly to manage the group until a replacement admin can be found.

The particular group mentioned is being addressed.

Groups of members who have passed away are being worked on to update. This is top of the list of group management for the team, though other projects do get attention.

We now have a couple of members helping to find inactive groups. As previously stated, we welcome anyone who wishes to help to contact the team.

I always check the groups that are suggested to me for one or the other of my photos or images before I accept the suggestions. This was also the case with two suggestions for my recently published photo. One of the two proposed groups is orphaned, i.e., the administrator seems to be inactive.

In my opinion, such groups shouldn't be recommended, but reported to the ima team so that the necessary steps can be taken.

Taking this opportunity, I entered the keyword “Nature” in “Search”. The result is a list of 63 groups which are currently on this topic. Random checks revealed that many of these groups are orphaned and some are inactive.

Note: A neglected graveyard couldn't be creepier than the collection of countless neglected, orphaned, abandoned, and inactive groups on our platform.
Halloween seems to be a year-round event here. ;)

Due to time constraints, it isn't possible for me to search and list all orphaned, abandoned, and inactive nature-related groups from the 63 groups and submit this list to the ima team via a help ticket. However, I hope that the members who have agreed to take on this task will search for all orphaned and inactive groups (not only) among the 63 listed groups on the subject of “Nature” and report them.

SUNDAY CHALLENGE
www.ipernity.com/group/daysincolour365

Please see here, and here, Annemarie. ;)

Happy that the Sunday Challenge is well known.

Es gibt noch was Schlimmeres, als einen vernachlässigten Friedhof:
www.stern.de/reise/fernreisen/salton-sea-vom-urlaubsparadies-zur-umwelt-apokalypse
(15 Bilder vom Salton See, Kalifornien)

Im Übrigen: Danke für den Hinweis und die Mühe.
Der Spitzenreiter ist wohl www.ipernity.com/group/Natur
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