"It is recommended to have GPS data in the meta data (EXIF) of the images before the initial upload."
The reason why this recommendation is given is that the Google Maps quota may become exceeded easily if many users search and use it get geolocation for already uploaded images. To avoid this it would help if more people would start to define geolocation before uploading the images.
How to do that depends on computer and software used. Here are few suggestions given. This article very likely becomes updated later on.
Allow location displayed on your ipernity settings
You need to allow GPS location displayed on your 'Photos and other content' settings before you upload new images containing the geolocation.
Choose 'YES' next to 'Automatically add the place of the shooting information if GPS info is available'.
GeoImgr
If you do not afraid to use online services, then GeoImgr is the easist solution to add geolocation onto image Exif. Because they also have to deal with more expensive Google services, you can't use location search on the map for free. But you can move the marker and zoom in on the map to get the image re-positioned.
Once you have set the position right, rename and download the image. Then upload that new version of the image to ipernity.
GeoSetter
GeoSetter is a freeware for Windows 7 and 10 or higher, and it requires Internet Explorer 10, Edge, or higher to show and change geo data and other metadata (IPTC/XMP/Exif) of image files. Do notice this does not run on older Windows versions, and IE10/Edge must be installed to work with the map on GeoSetter user interface. You can still use any browser you like to upload the images to ipernity.
Short instructions: Select image(s) you wish to add the geolocation onto. Open 'Map' tab to search and fine tune the marker position on the map. Then right click on the position marker, and click 'Assign Position to Selected Images' on opening dialog.
Visit GeoSetter web site for download.
Thanks to Berny for feedback. Berny has also written a quick how to use GeoSetter pdf doccument to get started. More instructions and tips for use may become added later.
Adobe Lightroom
If you use Lightroom, you already have tools to add geo location there.
Lightroom provides online help pages to work with map module on Lightroom classic.
When you export image(s) where GPS geolocatin has been added, make sure "Remove Location Information" is not ticked. Thanks to Colin Ashcroft for this tip.
More instructions and tips may become added later. I personally don't have Lightroom, but I will ask others to help updating this article if needed.
GIMP 2.10.10 photo editor
Even if GIMP is not your favorite photo editor, it at least is a free software alternative running on multiple operating systems (Windows, OS X, Linux). This is however the most complicated way to add geolocation onto image Exif.
Instructions:
A) First you need the map coordinates for your photo. For that there are several options. Here's one map service given as an example.
Goto GPS coordinates converter to search for the location where you took the photo. Once you have adjusted the location, you get the coordinates shown on left side of the map view.
DD (decimal degrees) format is a common format used on many web sites.
DMS (degrees, minutes, seconds) format is needed for example on GIMP editor.
B) Make sure you have latest stable GIMP 2.10.10.
C) To add geo location, go to 'Image > Metadata > Edit Metadata', and choose 'GPS' tab. You have to use keyboard to write the latitude and longitude. Copy/paste very likely does not work if you copy and paste the text from some other application. The coordinates then becomes truncated to degrees only. Then choose either west/east from prime meridian (Greenwitch) and north/south from equator.
Coordinates has to be exactly in this degrees, minutes, seconds (DMS) format:
24deg 2' 12"
61deg 28' 9"
So, decimals degrees (DD) presentation and ° symbols ain't work. If you write minutes and seconds starting with zero (e.g. 02' 09''), metadata editor drops the zero in front when saving, but that doesn't matter.
Once you have saved the location, you can reopen the metadata editor again to make sure the location became recorded correctly, including minutes and seconds.
D) Export "new image" with GPS geolocation metadata added to image Exif. Choose 'File > Export As...' to choose directory where to save. At this stage you can also choose the file format.
E) Proceed with 'Export' to open additional settings dialog. Make sure you choose 'Save Exif data', and click 'Export'. Now the saved new image contains also geolocation and is ready to become uploaded to ipernity.
I just use the function as I always have done. Can other people see where I was at the time the photo was taken?
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Amelia clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has addedAmelia club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Amelia clubDo you know if there exists a trusting and reliable tool to write the coordinates directly in the EXIF datas of a foto? I did some research and there are a lot of tools (Exifer, ExifTool, XnView, ...) but when you read the reviews all of them have some bad critics and reservations.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to polytropos clubI do trust on GIMP, but as explained on the article, it is rather complicated. Lightroom very likely is much easier to use on this, but that software of course is very expensive.
I tested GeoImgr online service, and it worked for me. Whether they "steel" my images or corrupt them, that I can not say yet. At least I got no spyware or virus alarms flashing up when I downloaded the edited file from their service.
And Geosetter I have not yet tested myself at all. Only a recommendation and suggestion I got from Berny, and saw also others writing about it.
I maybe check out Exifer, ExifTool, XnView later, but previously I recall only experimenting with ExifTool (years ago), and that was not a good experience.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubSo, in that sense a software on one's own computer can be more reliable.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubI still hope ipernity will change to OSM in the nearby future.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubIf it were only me, I would offer a simple form fields to input the coordinates, and that would be enough. It would be then up to user in what service s/he gets those coordinates from.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Stormlizard clubAnd I saw few comments around complaining that even giving an exact map location on Exif is waste of time (and money). Well, we are curious creatures, and some people like to share and find out that information. For example it can be useful on "photo safari" groups, where people wish to compare images taken on some exact locations.
And if someone ever wishes to find a good spot where to find and photograph Anemones (but not to pick them!) close to Tampere center at this time of the year, then here's the spot:
www.ipernity.com/doc/serola/48538418
Stormlizard club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Stormlizard clubHave you tried adding GPS/geolocation for example on GeoImgr, or here with Google Maps?
The closer you zoom in map, the more easy it is to define accurate position where picture is taken. One of course need the ability to "read" maps in order to be precise enough. But if you know your "hunting grounds" it should be easy to do.
I personally use Lightroom, with which I can change and describe the EXIF of images very comfortably. For example, I write all necessary copyright information into the Frontpage pictures that decorate the ipernity homepage. I don't know of any better program, neither for image management nor for developing RAW files.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Bergfex clubI am still dreaming to get enough money to proper DSLR camera, powerful PC and Lightroom =D
Gudrun club has replied to Bergfex clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to HappySnapperWhen it comes to simple, I say the easiest way is to use GPS location on camera phone and let that take care of it. Unfortunately one then gets location info on photos where it is not needed. And that is why the current system is still needed.
When we get resources for reprogramming, we hopefully also get all this improved.
Interesting, but about half of all my photos have been taken on cameras without GPS facility. I have happily used the manual location finder before now as I have a very good sense of geography and location and like to think i have been very accurate. But now what do I do??
I'm with Maurice on the tech front!
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Andy Rodker clubBut have you for example tried that GeoImgr? It also provides pretty easy to use user interface. And if you use Windows 10 and IE 10, Berny told me it is a very easy to use indeed:
www.ipernity.com/doc/serola/48537038/comment/57354754#comment57354754
Feedback and suggestions for other options are welcome.
But in several ways it is better than Google Maps. For example right click on any spot and you get popup menu to copy the decimal degrees (DD) coordinates.
On his website the author first writes of Windows 10 as requirement and then also writes, that the map will not work under Windows XP. So it's not clear, what's now with Windows 7. I just installed the newest version on a Windows 7 machine and it works properly. All maps are shown! So:
Geosetter works from Windows version 7 on!
Internet Explorer or Edge must be installed on the machine (which it is usually after you installed Windows), but it must not be your browser.
Geolmgr has in my opinion the disadvantage, that you must upload the image to this website and then again download the altered image.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Berny clubAnd yes please, do write a more comprehensive article for Geosetter. Once done, please consider adding the following keyword onto it:
ipernity-howto
And let me know when the article is ready, and I will definitely refer to it.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has addedWorks well, even with older ExifTool, which I found as too difficult to update for this quick experiment:
www.ipernity.com/gp/serola/13054/696d7d43
Moreover, I first had a difficulty to understand what I am supposed to do. Then I figured out I need to right click on the map position to 'Assign Position to Selected Images'.
Berny club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Berny clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Berny clubI somehow manage to miss the update button for ExifTools, and instead went to ExifTools website.
Now I have updated to latest version of ExifTools =)
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Berny clubHere's some discussion concerning this issue:
www.geosetter.de/mantis/view.php?id=1970
Gudrun club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubBerny club has replied to Gudrun clubBerny club has replied to Gudrun clubGudrun club has replied to Berny clubTo be honest that's too difficult for me.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubI also find out the Google Map used as default on GeoSetter gave me "inaccurate developer view" on my third try, BUT I then discovered I can change the map view to OpenStreetMap, which is good.
Berny promised to write some instructions during weekend. So, that may turn out useful.
Berny club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubJaap van 't Veen club has replied to Berny clubCan not save the position of my image on the map.
Jaap van 't Veen club has addedThere is still one anoying thing: before I can save the geolocation/image there is a PoP-up with something about 'time zones' which I HAVE to accept. After that I do get automatically 'strange' thumbnail-copy of that image in my file, which I delete afterwards.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubBerny club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubJaap van 't Veen club has replied to Berny club- try to save my image
- not possible, a PoP-up with the text:
Choose missing time zone
The photo .... contains date and time information without a time zone.
For proper use of date and time values, a time zone is mandatory. Select a time zone.
Use system time (Western Europe (summer time) (+ 2:00))
- I must choose OK, otherwise I can not save my geotagging
- after that I get a blanco/white thumbnail with a file number like: P1200475ip.jpg_original (the original file was P1200475ip)
Berny club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen club1st issue: Does the PopUp appear for every new image you want to position or only one time at the start of the program or with the very first image after startup?
Try the following: Open "File/Settings/Data Preferences", then choose a "Default time zone", e.g. (UTC+01:00)....". Check the 3 boxes under the drop down menu for the default time zone, they should be active. Further "Save GPS Destination Coordinates" should be active and further down "Add Time Zone Automatically to Taken Date when Assigning Map Position".
With my GEOSETTER nothing had to be changed after installation, hope the above tips work for you.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Berny clubThank you so much for your help.
Just another question: can I see the geotags when I just open a thumbnail ??
Berny club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubJaap van 't Veen club has replied to Berny clubJaap van 't Veen club has replied to Berny clubIt worked fine for about one day. But now I get the same PoP-up again when trying to save the geotags. I have nothing changed and checked your settings.
Jaap van 't Veen club has addedAfter uploading an update of Geosetter I get a warning when I try to save the georags, saying: Error: Execution of ExifTool failed...>/i>
www.ipernity.com/doc/berny/48555820
and you can also find is as article
www.ipernity.com/blog/berny/4722230
www.ipernity.com/blog/team/4722158/comment/57397866#comment57397866
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Colin Ashcroft clubI am so outdated... ;o
I think that I'll stick with general location description for now :)
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Marta Wojtkowska clubThere's nothing wrong with "old fashioned" caption under the image saying where and when the image is taken.
FixFoto give a connection to (old) GoogleEarth Version 6.2 or OpenSreetmap.
You navigate the map and simple pick the GPS with MouseButton on pointing, save and good is.
FixFoto is a big toolbox photo editor, but in german. I dont know, if the english version is still to get. Its always in daily use to pick positions, give EXIFs and IPTCs on my pictures for text in IP.
Berny club has replied to Eike BielEike Biel has replied to Berny clubHad the need to install the old GE again, but it still doesn't work. Can't connect to the GE-server.
A help-site is on service, but they will help to get the new one... :(
Thanks Berny for your advice. But I am registered since 2004 to FixFoto... ;)
Google changed their API for GE, so it made no sense to fix the interaction.
The last with FixFoto working GE was 6.2.2....Discussion in FixFoto-Forum at www.ffsf.de/threads/gps-fehlende-koordinaten-nachtragen-funktioniert-nicht.16836/post-206798
The share to pay for FixFoto isn't much. Its a big toolbox to work directly on digital photos with a lot help in scripts from user, very useful scripts. FixFoto is to me the center of my postprocessing and the forum offers big help for use. End of promotion block... ;)
I did not try both Google Earth. Daily needs mostly are cared with Gmaps to me. But why should GE not work from separated folders. Install GE an rename the path, and install the new. Maybe there are some stamps in registry. If, you have to try out. But I dont have the need. GPS doesn't change, I pick them with the old, and good is.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Isabelle Barruhet clubwww.heise.de/ratgeber/GPS-Ortsinformationen-im-Foto-4169081.html
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Bergfex clubCare to go through the main topics here? ;-)
I have found two Android apps that produce tracks of your location which can then be transferred to your images to add the relevant GPS Metadata tags - GPS4cam & Geotag Photos. These both work in a similar way, switch on at the start of a session and they regularly save a GPS point to a standard GPS track. This track can be loaded into a PC application that adds the tags to the images, using the Time the image was taken and comparing to the track
This system will also work with Lightroom's Map system and other applications. One thing that is important is to Synchronize the time on your Camera to the time on the phone.
I am Android based, but I believe that there are iPhone versions of these apps available.
if you do not wander around a lot when taking images you can simply use your Phone camera, assuming the phone records the location data of images, as Most do) and extract the GPS data and paste this into the camera images
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Barman58So, in my case the quest continues...
Berny club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubich hab ein kleines Problem beim "verorten" meiner Fotos. Hab mir jetzt endlich auch den GeoSetter runtergeladen. Funktioniert auch einfach, die Daten sind in den Exifs vorhanden.
In meinen IP-Einstellungen hab ich "Ort und Aufnahmeinformationen automatisch hinzufügen, falls GPS-Infos vorhanden sind?" aktiviert - aber leider tut sich nichts.
Wenn ich auf "In Karte eintragen" klicke bekomme ich die Meldung "Es ist ein Übertragungsfehler aufgetreten. Bitte überprüfen Sie Ihre Internetverbindung." ???
Was mach ich falsch???
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Dida From Augsburg clubMore details is needed. What browser and version? Screenshot could also help.
Dida From Augsburg club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubGoogle Chrome Version 79.0.3945.130 (Offizieller Build) (64-Bit)
Dida From Augsburg club has addedI've changed my settings after I've uploaded my photo - it works perfect with new uploads.
Sorry and thank you for your efforts, Sami! :))
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Dida From Augsburg clubI was getting worried that we may had discovered a bug =,D
In the future I also recommend this group for asking help.
www.ipernity.com/group/userhelpcentral
More people there to follow it ;-)
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