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Dear members and friends of ipernity!
1) The final statement of the fundraising for the reprogramming of ipernity is now available. 75 club members and 145 "free" users participated. The sum of the raised capital amounts to 17,114 EUR (57% of 30,000 EUR). Therefore the reprogramming cannot yet be commissioned as planned.
2) Before we consider external funding opportunities, we would like to address those club members who have not participated to date, although they would be economically able to do so. We are extending our loan programme which is a really attractive investment opportunity with a 4.5% interest rate, until the end of the year. Please support the project! The sooner we start reprogramming, the sooner we can take advantage of the benefits we are all eagerly awaiting.
3) In addition, we continue to allow existing free users (account created before Dec. 1, 2018) to subscribe to an option on the future Basic Subscription. The contribution is 23.90 EUR (other currencies accordingly) for 12 months. You will get full club access until the future subscription structure is implemented in ipernity. (For technical reasons, however, this can only be done as part of the reprogramming.)
4) This is also an official call to all "free" users who want to keep their (invisible) content beyond August 15, 2019 to make use of this option in a timely manner. For cost reasons, we will clean up the ipernity database after August 15, 2019. Until then, the number of visible contents for "free" users will be gradually reduced to the guest status.
5) Although the cleanup would be legitimized by the existing terms of use, we have nevertheless made them more concrete in this respect. On this occasion we have made some further editorial changes. In addition, we now also make the Terms of Service available in the previously missing main languages Italian and Dutch. You can read the changes here.
Your ima team
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Chers membres et amis d'ipernity !
1) Le bilan final de la campagne de financement pour la reprogrammation d’ipernity est maintenant disponible. 75 membres du club et 145 utilisateurs "gratuits" y ont participé. La somme des capitaux levés s'élève à 17 114 EUR (57% de 30 000 EUR). La reprogrammation ne peut donc pas encore être mise en œuvre comme prévu.
2) Avant d'examiner les possibilités de financement externe, nous aimerions nous adresser aux membres du club qui n'ont pas encore participé à ce financement et qui en auraient les moyens. Nous prolongeons jusqu'à la fin de l'année notre programme de prêts, qui constitue une opportunité d'investissement très intéressante avec un taux d'intérêt de 4,5%. Soutenez le projet, s'il vous plaît ! Plus vite nous commencerons la reprogrammation, plus vite nous pourrons profiter des bénéfices pour le site que nous attendons tous avec impatience.
3) De plus nous continuons à permettre aux utilisateurs gratuits (compte établi avant le 1er décembre 2018) de souscrire à une option sur le futur abonnement Basic. La contribution s'élève à 23.90 EUR (montant équivalent dans les autres devises) pour 12 mois. Vous bénéficierez d’un accès complet au club jusqu'à ce que le futur barème d'abonnement soit implémenté dans ipernity. (Pour des raisons techniques, cela ne peut se faire que dans le cadre de la reprogrammation).
4) Cette offre constitue également un appel officiel à tous les utilisateurs "gratuits" qui souhaitent conserver leur contenu (invisible) au-delà du 15 août 2019. Pour des raisons de coûts, nous allons en effet supprimer les contenus invisible de la base de données ipernity après le 15 août 2019. D'ici là, le nombre de contenus visibles pour les utilisateurs "gratuits" sera progressivement réduit au quota du statut d'invité.
5) Bien que les Conditions d'Utilisation actuelles légitiment ce nettoyage, nous avons tenu à les rendre plus explicites à cet égard. A cette occasion, nous y avons apporté d'autres modifications rédactionnelles. De plus nous mettons désormais à votre disposition les Conditions d'Utilisation dans les langues principales italiennes et néerlandaises qui manquaient auparavant. Vous pouvez consulter les changements ici.
Votre équipe ima
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Liebe Mitglieder und Freunde von ipernity!
1) Die Endabrechnung der Kapitalbeschaffung zur Neuprogrammierung von ipernity liegt nun vor. Teilgenommen haben 75 Club-Mitglieder und 145 “freie” Nutzer. Die Summe des eingesammelten Kapitals beträgt 17.114 EUR (57% von 30.000 EUR). Die Neuprogrammierung kann deshalb noch nicht wie geplant in Auftrag gegeben werden.
2) Bevor wir externe Möglichkeiten weiterer Kapitalbeschaffung prüfen, möchten wir uns noch an jene Club-Mitglieder wenden, die sich bisher nicht beteiligt haben, obwohl sie wirtschaftlich dazu in der Lage wären. Wir verlängern unser Anleiheprogramm, das mit 4,5% Verzinsung eine wirklich attraktive Geldanlagemöglichkeit ist, bis zum Jahresende. Bitte unterstützt das Projekt! Je eher wir mit der Neuprogrammierung beginnen, umso eher können wir die Vorteile nutzen, auf die wir alle sehnlichst warten.
3) Darüber hinaus ermöglichen wir den bisherigen freien Nutzern (Account vor dem 1. Dez. 2018 eröffnet) weiterhin, eine Option auf das zukünftige Basis-Abonnement zu zeichnen. Der Beitrag beläuft sich auf 23,90 EUR (andere Währungen entsprechend) für 12 Monate. Ihr bekommt dafür übergangsweise den vollen Club-Zugang, bis die zukünftige Abonnement-Struktur in ipernity implementiert ist. (Aus technischen Gründen kann dies jedoch erst im Rahmen der Neuprogrammierung erfolgen.)
4) Dies ist gleichzeitig ein offizieller Aufruf an alle “freien” Nutzer, die ihre (unsichtbaren) Inhalte über den 15. August 2019 hinaus behalten möchten, zeitnah von dieser Option Gebrauch zu machen. Aus Kostengründen werden wir die ipernity Datenbank nach dem 15. August 2019 nämlich von diesen Inhalten bereinigen. Bis dahin wird die Anzahl der sichtbaren Inhalte für “freie” Nutzer schrittweise auf den Gast-Status reduziert.
5) Obwohl die Bereinigung durch die bestehenden Nutzungsbedingungen legitimiert wäre, haben wir diese dennoch diesbezüglich konkretisiert. Bei der Gelegenheit haben wir noch einige weitere redaktionelle Änderungen vorgenommen. Außerdem stellen wir die Nutzungsbedingungen jetzt auch in den bisher fehlenden Hauptsprachen Italienisch und Niederländisch zur Verfügung. Über die Änderungen könnt ihr euch hier informieren.
Euer ima-Team
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1.4) ipernity shall have the right at its sole discretion to modify these Terms of Service in whole or in part at any time. Any changes shall be effective immediately following their posting on this website. In the event of a modification, ipernity will communicate the new Terms of Service to you via a newsflash in the team blog. Any subsequent use of this website following changes to these Terms of Service shall constitute your acceptance of all such changes.
4.1) ipernity is aware of the need to protect the privacy and security users of the Service, especially minors, as much as possible. [
ipernity is provided with a protection system against inappropriate Content: all Content is rated by the owner according to which public is aimed at; and on the other hand, each person using the Service must choose the most appropriate Content filter level. The rules of how the system operates can be consulted on www.ipernity.com/help/faq/filters.] When you upload Content, you are responsible for assigning the appropriate visibility option of private, family, friends or public. The reliability of the system cannot be 100% guaranteed. Parents who wish to allow their children access to the Service should assist them in setting up any relevant accounts and supervise their access to the Service. By allowing your child access to the Service, they will be able to access all of the Services including, internal email, message boards, instant messages and chat (among others). Please remember that the Service is designed to appeal to a broad audience. Accordingly, as the legal guardian, it is your responsibility to determine whether any of the services and/or Content is appropriate for your child.7.2) You acknowledge that ipernity has the right, at its sole discretion, to limit the speed and/or number of transmissions you may send or receive through the Service. ipernity reserves the right to permanently delete any content of your account after 3 months from the date of upload if the usage limits are exceeded, beginning with the oldest content as measured by the upload date.
7.4) When you cease using the Service, [
in particular on receipt of a certificate or any other legal document confirming your death,] ipernity will close your account what will lead to the loss of any content hosted on this account (see also 10.3.a).10.3) You agree that ipernity may, at any time and at its own discretion, terminate your access to the Service or close temporarily or permanently your account, especially in the following cases:
(a) extended period of inactivity for your account. This is the case if you have not logged into your account for more than 36 months.
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13.1] 12.1) You agree to exempt and indemnify ipernity [subsidiaries, affiliates, directors, officers and employees] from any action or demand from third parties in connection with or resulting from your use of the Service, non-compliance with these Terms of Service or any other action related to the use of the Service. Therefore, you also agree to indemnify and hold ipernity harmless from and against any and all claims, losses, damages (real and substantial), actions, suits, judgments, legal fees and expenses of any kind and nature related thereto. In this event, ipernity will notify you in writing of any such requests, proceedings or actions.(Mise à jour : 2019-05-31)
1.4) ipernity se réserve le droit de modifier les présentes Conditions Générales d’Utilisation, en tout ou partie, et à tout moment. En cas de modification, ipernity vous communiquera les nouvelles Conditions Générales d’Utilisation, au moyen d’un newsflash sur le blog de l’équipe ima. Toute utilisation du Service postérieure à une telle modification constituera une acceptation par l’utilisateur des nouvelles Conditions Générales d’Utilisation.
4.1) ipernity est conscient de la nécessité de protéger au mieux la vie privée et la sécurité des utilisateurs du Service, et tout particulièrement les mineurs. [
ipernity dispose d’un système de protection contre les Contenu inappropriés : d’une part, tous les Contenu sont classés par leurs propriétaires en fonction du public auquel ils s’adressent, d’autre part, chaque utilisateur du Service choisit le niveau de filtre de Contenu le plus approprié. Les règles de fonctionnement de ce système sont consultables sur www.ipernity.com/help/faq/filters.] Lorsque vous téléchargez un Contenu, vous êtes responsable d'assigner l'option de visibilité appropriée pour les membres de votre famille, vos amis ou le public. La fiabilité de ce système n’est pas garantie à 100%. Les parents qui souhaiteraient permettre l’accès au Service à leurs enfants mineurs, ont le devoir de les assister et de les superviser dans leur procédure d’inscription et leur utilisation du Service. En autorisant votre enfant mineur à accéder au Service, il lui sera possible d’accéder à tous les éléments du Service, y compris la messagerie par email, les forums de discussions, la messagerie instantanée et le chat (sans que cette liste soit limitative). Nous vous rappelons que le Service est destiné à recevoir une large audience. En tant que représentant légal, il est de votre responsabilité de déterminer si tout ou partie du Service et/ou des Contenus hébergés sont appropriés à votre enfant et le cas échéant quel niveau de filtre de contenu est le plus approprié pour votre enfant.7.2) Vous reconnaissez à ipernity le droit discrétionnaire de limiter le nombre de transmissions que vous êtes susceptible de recevoir ou d’émettre par le Service, mais aussi la quantité d’espace de stockage, la bande passante, ou d’autres sources que vous êtes susceptibles d’utiliser. ipernity se réserve le droit de supprimer définitivement tout contenu de votre compte après 3 mois à compter de la date de téléchargement si les limites d'utilisation sont dépassées, en commençant par le contenu le plus ancien mesuré à la date de téléchargement.
7.4) Lorsque vous cesserez d’utiliser le Service, [
et notamment à la réception par ipernity de tout document ou certificat officiel confirmant votre décès,] ipernity fermera votre compte et le Contenu qui s’y trouvera ne pourra être récupéré (voir aussi le 10.3.a).10.3) ipernity pourra à tout moment résilier votre accès au Service ou fermer temporairement ou définitivement votre compte, à sa seule discrétion, et notamment dans les cas suivants :
(a) période prolongée d’inactivité de votre compte. C'est le cas si vous n'avez pas connecté à votre compte depuis plus de 36 mois.
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13.1] 12.1) Vous consentez à exonérer et à indemniser ipernity [ses filiales, affiliés, dirigeants, cadres, agents, salariés, partenaires (y compris partenaires publicitaires)]de toute action ou demande émanant de tiers dans le cadre ou résultant de votre utilisation du Service, du non-respect des présentes Conditions Générales d’Utilisation ou de toute autre action liée à l’utilisation du Service. Par conséquent, vous consentez également à exonérer et indemniser ipernity de toute responsabilité ou frais résultant de toute demande, perte, dommage (réel et sérieux), action, poursuite, jugement, frais de justice et d’avocat, de toute sorte et de toute nature qui y seraient liés. Dans cette éventualité, ipernity vous notifiera par écrit l’existence de telles demandes, poursuites ou actions.(Aktualisierung vom 2019-05-31)
1.4) ipernity behält sich das Recht vor, die vorliegenden Nutzungsbedingungen jederzeit nach eigenem Ermessen vollständig oder in Teilen zu ändern. Jedwede Änderung tritt sofort mit ihrer Veröffentlichung auf dieser Webseite in Kraft. Im Fall einer Änderung kommuniziert ipernity die neuen Nutzungsbedingungen durch einen Newsflash im Team-Blog. Jegliche Nutzung des Dienstes nach einer solchen Änderung bedeutet die Einwilligung des Nutzers in die neuen Nutzungsbedingungen.
4.1) ipernity ist sich der Notwendigkeit bewusst, die Privatsphäre und die Sicherheit der Nutzer des Dienstes, insbesondere Minderjähriger, auf bestmöglichste Art zu schützen. [
ipernity verfügt über ein Schutzsystem gegen unangemessene Inhalte: einerseits werden alle Inhalte durch ihre Urheber im Hinblick auf das Publikum, an das sie sich wenden, kategorisiert. Andererseits wählt jeder Benutzer des Dienstes ein geeignetes Filterniveau für seine Inhalte aus. Die Funktionsregeln dieses Systems können Sie auf www.ipernity.com/help/faq/filters nachschlagen.] Wenn Sie Inhalte hochladen, liegt es in Ihrer Verantwortung, die entsprechenden Sichtbarkeitsoption für Familienmitglieder, Freunde oder die Öffentlichkeit festzulegen. Die Verlässlichkeit dieses Systems wird nicht zu 100% garantiert. Eltern, die diesen Dienst ihren minderjährigen Kindern zugänglich machen wollen, müssen diesen beim Registrieren und der Nutzung des Dienstes assistieren und sie überwachen. Indem Sie es Ihrem Kind erlauben, an den Dienst Zugang zu haben, wird es ihm möglich sein, alle Elemente des Dienstes, E-Mail Nachrichtendienst, Diskussionsforen, Instant Messaging und Chat inbegriffen (diese Liste ist nicht abschließend), zu benutzen. Wir erinnern Sie an dieser Stelle daran, dass der Dienst für ein breites Publikum bestimmt ist. Als gesetzlicher Vertreter liegt es in Ihrer Verantwortung, zu entscheiden, ob alle oder ein Teil der angebotenen Dienste und/oder Inhalte für Ihr Kind angebracht sind, und wenn ja, welches Filter-Niveau für Ihr Kind am besten angebracht ist.7.2) Sie erkennen an, dass es in ipernitys Ermessen liegt, die Bandbreite und das Volumen der Daten, die Sie durch den Dienst senden oder empfangen können, zu begrenzen. ipernity behält sich das Recht vor, Inhalte Ihres Benutzerkontos im Fall einer Überschreitung von Nutzungsgrenzen nach Ablauf von 3 Monaten dauerhaft zu löschen, beginnend mit dem ältesten Inhalt gemessen am Hochladedatum.
7.4)Wenn Sie Ihre Nutzung des Dienstes einstellen, [
und unter anderem bei ipernitys Empfang von jeglichem Dokument oder offiziellen Zertifikat, dass Ihren Tod bestätigt] schließt ipernity Ihr Benutzerkonto und löscht alle darin befindlichen Inhalte dauerhaft (siehe auch 10.3.a).10.3) ipernity kann in eigenem Ermessen Ihren Zugang zum Dienst jederzeit kündigen, temporär oder definitiv Ihr Konto schließen, unter anderem in folgenden Fällen:
(a) nach andauernder Inaktivität Ihres Kontos. Diese liegt vor, wenn Sie sich länger als 36 Monate nicht mehr in Ihren Account eingeloggt haben.
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13.1] 12.1) Sie erklären sich damit einverstanden, ipernity [ihre Filialen, ihre Partner (Anzeigekunden mit inbegriffen), ihre Direktoren, Manager, Angestellte und Arbeitnehmer] von jeglichen Handlungen oder Forderungen Dritter im Zusammenhang mit oder als Folge Ihrer Nutzung des Dienstes, der Nichteinhaltung dieser Nutzungsbedingungen oder anderer Maßnahmen im Zusammenhang mit der Nutzung des Dienstes freizustellen. Daher erklären Sie sich auch damit einverstanden, ipernity von allen Ansprüchen, Verlusten, Schäden (real und substanziell), Klagen, Urteilen, Anwaltskosten und Ausgaben jeglicher Art freizustellen. In diesem Fall wird ipernity Sie schriftlich über solche Anträge, Verfahren oder Maßnahmen informieren.╰☆☆June☆☆╮ club has replied to John Oram clubSo I paid by bank transfer. You pay the 4 years, then the fifth year gets added on afterwards. I don't still have the bank details, but you can get them from Eric.
Bergfex club has replied to ╰☆☆June☆☆╮ clubIsabelle Barruhet club has replied to John Oram clubWith Paypal it works fine, but we understand that not everyone wants it. Credit card companies are a bit tricky. There would be two possibilities:
- Try it with different amounts, which result in the sum of the desired amount. Since I personally do the bookkeeping, I can deal with it.
- Alternatively, you can also make a single bank transfer to our account at Credit Agricole de Paris. This takes a few days longer, but is a very safe method.
Bernhard (ima)
Still hoping more 'free users' will participate. 0
raingirl club has replied to David DahleI have paid long ago, and have never had any problem with PayPal
And thanks to the team for all the efforts and implements provided!
Marja Savonije club has replied to Xata clubraingirl club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubBoarischa Krautmo club has replied to Annemarie clubIf you live within the Euro-zone, bank transfer might be the most appropriate and safe way to donate.
Otherwise Paypal might be the easiest way.
raingirl club has replied to Annemarie clubif you are like me and never log out, you can find a tiny 'donate' link at the bottom of every page. it's in blue at the bottom right of the help&contact link along with other links.
Diane Putnam club has replied to raingirl club"We always appreciate DONATIONS! Ipernity is a group of friendly, dedicated members who all pitch in to keep the place running. We are volunteers and neither the site nor the members earn financial profit. We are here to do what we love and to support and appreciate the talents of all members. Every little donation helps! To become an official, paid member, click HERE."
Perhaps the TRANSLATE link could be included and made larger in this case. It's really, really important to make the language warm and friendly. Avoid getting technical about our reasons for needing donations. That can be done in the "become an official member" page. I have to say that it's NOT obvious how to find more info about Ipernity or how to join. The links at the bottom should be larger and one changed to say Join Ipernity, instead of Prices. There is plenty of white space on our pages, so we might as well use some of it for promoting ourselves. I realize there is a language complication, but that's the case with just about anyplace else on the internet.
Anyway, those are my suggestions addressed to everyone, not just raingirl! ;-)
Bonne nouvelle semaine à tous.
raingirl club has replied to Jocelyne Villoing clubIf you want to help, you could note our need to any 'free' users whose photos you comment on. Like Jaap mentions above, one can include a link to the newsflash in the comments. I like a personal request as well.
Ik probeer wat in mijn mogelijkheid zit,om clubleden ,die halstarrig stijfkoppig volhouden om (toch maar ) niet te betalen OVER te halen,het toch te doen!!!
Bergfex club has replied to Fred Fouarge clubraingirl club has replied to Fred Fouarge clubFred Fouarge club has replied to Bergfex clubTeam club has replied to ©UdoSm clubnear the German border to Austria, in the Chiemgau, lies the small Bavarian village of Schleching with a beautiful baroque parish church:
Unfortunately the organ of the church is no longer playable and also not refurbishable. Of the 250,000 EUR that a new organ costs, the parish has now collected 81,469 EUR. Because - in variation of a proverb: "Who wants to have music, must also pay for it."
Here we have the wonderful sharing platform ipernity. And although we have not only restructured it in the meantime, but have even improved some parts (let me mention the backup option of entire albums, which was made possible by your express wish!), there is no question that it must be reprogrammed as soon as possible. Ten years in the life of software is like 100 years for an organ. But here, too, the rule is: "Who wants to have music, must also pay for it."
Marco Zerbini probably never understood that. (After all, how can anyone complain about the lack of SSL encryption on the one hand, but not want to spend anything on it on the other? Who should pay the programmers if not us, the community of 1.400 paying users?)
We think you're more intelligent than Marco. And therefore we would be pleased if you would support the project of our community now, after we have fulfilled your wish.
Bernhard (ima)
Erhard Bernstein club has replied to Team clubFred Fouarge club has replied to Erhard Bernstein clubKalli club has replied to polytropos clubHinzu kommt noch das Argument "Keine Zeit".
Das habe ich früher auch manchmal nach einem Blick ins Portemonnaie gesagt.
Ich bin heute mal in Spendierlaune. Die Rentenerhöhung ist ja in Sicht. ;-))
Bergfex club has replied to Kalli clubraingirl club has replied to Kalli clubraingirl club has replied to Kalli clubNur => Logischerweise muß man das hier beachten:
Sie können direkt auf das ipernity-Konto bei Credit Agricole de Paris einzahlen,
IBAN: FR76 1820 6003 9365 0390 3567 159 BIC: AGRIFRPP882. Bei Abonnement-Verlängerungen bitte unbedingt die Account-Nr. oder das Alias aus der Browserzeile angeben, damit die Bezahlung richtig gebucht werden kann.
Das Problem: Während der PayPal-Transaktion kann man diese Angaben gar nicht eingeben! Und hinterher hat man wieder ein Problem mit Ipernity, weil die Kollegen die Überweisung keinem Nutzer-Konto zuordnen können.
Allerdings kann es zu Problemen kommen, wenn Vor- und Nachname des Absenders nicht mit den bei ipernity hinterlegten Namen übereinstimmen. (Das ist einer der Gründe, warum laut Nutzungsbedingunen §2.3a die richtigen Namen registriert werden müssen.) Probleme gibt es auch, wenn man seine/n Partner/in überweisen lässt. Denn die/der ist bei ipernity selbstverständlich nicht bekannt.
Account-Daten muss man nur angeben, wenn man nicht mit Paypal bezahlen möchte. (Woher soll die Buchhaltung sonst wissen, welchem ipernity-Account der Betrag zuzuordnen ist?) Dann bleiben die von Dir zitierten Bankdaten aber sichtbar.
Grazie per il grande lavoro del team !
I do it regularly, hoping this helps!
[EN] In the meantime, we are pleased about the inflow of another 1,059 EUR to the starting capital for the reprogramming (account balance now 18,172 EUR or 61% of 30,000 EUR).
[FR] Entre-temps, nous nous réjouissons de l'afflux de 1.059 EUR supplémentaires au capital de départ pour la reprogrammation (solde du compte maintenant 18.172 EUR ou 61% de 30.000 EUR).
[DE] Inzwischen freuen wir uns über den Zufluss weiterer 1.059 EUR zum Startkapital für die Neuprogrammierung (Kontostand jetzt 18.172 EUR bzw. 61% von 30.000 EUR).
Tanja - Loughcrew club has replied to Team clubI don’t want to feel guilty by using the service so I am taking a little holiday back at Flickr bringing my account up to date there, I have already said I will donate and I shall return at that time.
Bergfex club has replied to HappySnapperJaap van 't Veen club has replied to HappySnapperColin Ashcroft club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubXata club has replied to Bergfex clubBergfex club has replied to Volker Schwarz clubBoarischa Krautmo club has replied to Bergfex clubVolker Schwarz club has replied to Bergfex clubWe would like to officially inform you that the conversion of the previous "free accounts" to Guest Accounts took place yesterday night. As of today there are no more "free accounts", but only "Guest Accounts" at ipernity. These already correspond to 80% of the specification, in any case however in the most important points:
A few less important little things still have to be added, a few bugs fixed. But nevertheless everything is so far that we could go online with it.
Club members won't notice most of the changes. To see them completely, you'd have to try logging in with a "guest account". For information, however, please refer to the specification list above with the completion notes.
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Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Team clubDuring the conversion process, we also have to look very closely at whether the final value of 20 is really practical. We only invented it at the green table. There are already doubts as to whether it is not too low. Because such a low limit prevents newcomers from playing with ipernity in the first few weeks without having to book a trial account. In short: We still have to observe that isue. The next step will be a lowering to 50 (in four weeks). First of all, we observe and analyse the response to these measures of today.
Bernhard
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Team clubAls zodanig is deze structuur ook goedgekeurd door de algemene vergadering (...The future subscription grid is solidly worked out and only needs to be integrated into the site. The old ipernity code unfortunately simply does not allow this, so interim solutions must be implemented until ipernity has been reprogrammed....).
Ik ben geen voorstander om het aantal uploads verder te verhogen voor 'gasten' en het daardoor weer aantrekkelijker te maken het gratis account aan te houden. Als zoiets wel gebeurd vind ik dat e.e.a. pas kan na overleg met de (betalende) leden en/of via goedkeuring door de algemene vergadering. Ik vind dat daarbij het kostenaspect (data-opslag en verkeer) voor ons duidelijk moet zijn.
Ik zie eerlijk gezegd de relatie niet met 'nieuwe leden'. Zij krijgen toch via de nieuwe abonnementenstructuur automatisch een 3-maands probeer-abonnement met alle voordelen/voorwaarden van een Club-abonnement ??
Bergfex club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubOf course, these hurdles have to be erected first. Whereby it is still true that they are very difficult to implement in the old ipernity code. Rob and I have been working for 14 days from 7 o'clock in the morning until often after midnight. Now we understand why Qwellcode waved. The ipernity program is so confused and poorly documented that it often doesn't react to changes the way it thinks. It needs a lot of intuition and patience, many attempts, and a high frustration tolerance. Fortunately, Rob and I have.
Today we are already quite happy that we have reached this intermediate result. Because from now on the situation changes noticeably for the former "free" users. Of course, we could have built in the limit at 20 immediately. But it was a decision of the ima-board not to annoy the guests with a hard cut, but to make the transition soft. (Board meeting of May 5, 2019, agenda item 3. The wording of the board decision. "In 2018 it was decided to limit the upload volume of free users to 20 when transferring to guest accounts. In order to avoid a hard cut and to give users the opportunity to adapt to the new conditions, this transition shall take place gradually. Rob is authorized to take all necessary measures to lower the upload limit for free users from 200 to 100 after May 15, 2019."
Incidentally, it is by no means the case that the General Assembly voted on the new structure. This was - as you rightly quote - very extensively publicly discussed, but was then put into effect by decision of the ima team on Nov 30, 2018: www.ipernity.com/blog/team/4714216 The General Meeting is not responsible for such minor details. It only blesses the big line, for example by expressly authorizing the board to take care of the reprogramming. How it does this best is then up to the board again. (Well hopefully.)
As far as the number of uploads by guests is concerned, you really don't have to be afraid. Since yesterday the maximum upload file size for guests is 2.5 MB. This eliminates the possibility to upload space-intensive RAW files and/or videos. We have now put a stop for uploading hundreds of gigabytes for free. To give you an idea of it: The 10 most memory cosuming "free users" occupy 0.74 TB of storage space at AWS and thus cause annual costs of 385 EUR (incl. tax). This will be cutted in August, and in future such uncontrolled growth will no longer be possible due to the measures taken.
Concerning your fears: If all 20,000 guests fully utilize the limit of 20 uploads, they occupy 1TB of AWS disk space. This costs 430 EUR annually (incl. tax). At a limit of 50, the costs would increase by 650 EUR to 1.080 EUR annually, which we really don't have to argue about. In short: Financial aspects are secondary when considering the question of whether the limit should be 20 or 50.
(edit: When calculating the storage costs, a factorial error had crept in. The figures above were corrected. This does not change the statement.)
The external impact is much more important. How do potential interested people perceive the limits? What does the trade press think? What will our standing be like compared to Flickr? Will our position in existing rankings improve or deteriorate? You can hardly predict all this. What is certain is that a hard cut may cause more public anger than a gradual approach to the optimum. You can trust that the ima team will consider and discuss all these issues and balance our decisions very carefully.
For now, it's: we're going the way of this intermediate step of 100, with the last 200 content still accessible to the users themselves. They should have the opportunity to adapt to the new situation. We will also notify them all individually by e-mail. At the next board meeting, the ima team will then discuss and decide on how to proceed. In any case, we will keep the target date of August 15 until the final conversion of the accounts - maybe somewhat changed with respect to the former blueprint, maybe not. In any case, however, we will explain the reasons here transparently if there should be changes.
(By the way: new members don't automatically get Trial. The have to apply for it. But most of them buy a full membership directly.)
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Bergfex clubps: personally, I wouldn't call a subject that has been discussed so extensively a 'minor detail'.
Bergfex club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubThe General Assembly really has bigger tasks than taking care of details. It sets the goals and chooses from the circle of members those who should ensure that these goals are achieved. It controls the achievement of the goals and intervenes only in extreme emergencies. But even then not in detail, but by changing the actors. A supervisory organ conducts supervision, not the operative business.
But, just for you, another result from a multitude of analyses and calculations:
Setting the content limit to [50], 7,949 guest are affected (with more than 50 files of content). In total, they require 2.02 million files and a storage capacity of 4.75 terabytes. AWS charges 2,483 EUR per year for this. After the cleanup, 397,000 visible files (19.7%) would remain. The remaining storage costs are 463 EUR. The savings are 2,020 EUR per year, 168 EUR per month. (Only invisible content will be deleted!)
At a higher limit of [100], only 5,790 guest accounts would be affected. These take up 1.86 million files and 4.44 terabytes of storage space. The AWS costs amount to 2.318 EUR annually. After cleanup there would still be 289,550 visible files left which with costs of 349 EUR annually. The saving would be 1,969 EUR per year or 164 EUR per month. The differences between both variants (51 EUR annually, 4,25 EUR monthly) are negligible.
With other words: From an economic point of view, it is completely irrelevant whether we set the limit at 20, 50 or 100. For this decision, other aspects are important, which are equally extensive and which I do not therefore wish to expand in the same way. However, you can be sure that we as ima team work as professionally as we are (or were) used to from our daily business job.
Ein anderer Aspekt ist der Traffic. 20.000 Gäste halten die Server fleißig auf Trab und nutzen die (Kosten verursachende) Translatorfunktion ebenso, wie die Clubmitglieder. Über die anteiligen Nutzungskosten gibt es allerdings keine Zahlen, weil ipernity das individuelle Nutzerverhalten nicht analysiert. Aber als Administrator habe ich natürlich tiefere Einblicke und sehe beim Löschen verlassener Accounts immer wieder solche mit relativ wenig Inhalt, aber tausenden Kommentaren. Das zeigt mir, dass auch die Gäste ziemlich fleißig sind. Die Rechnungen des Amazon Web Service weisen insgesamt 60 bis 100 Millionen Serverzugriffe monatlich aus. Die Kosten dafür betragen mehr als 20.000 Euro jährlich (ohne Speicherkosten).
Das zu den Zahlen. Nun etwas ganz Anderes. Nämlich nicht "ihr" richtet ein, sondern "wir" richten ein. Denn, Volker, wir sind ein Verein. Das ima-Team handelt nur ehrenamtlich im Sinne und Auftrag der Gemeinschaft. Wir machen letztendlich nur, was der Verein will.
Wenn Du Dir die alten Team-Blogs durchliest, wirst Du feststellen: die Gast-Accounts waren eine Forderung aus der Gemeinschaft! Sehr viele (zahlende) Vereinsmitglieder wollten kostenlose Zugangsmöglichkeiten für Familienmitglieder und/oder Freunde.
Dass wir diese Konten "Gast-Konten" genannt haben, war eine semantische Entscheidung. Das Wort Gast bezeichnet nämlich einen "zum Bleiben eingeladenen Besucher, den man unentgeltlich oder gegen Entgelt beherbergt und/oder bewirtet" (Wikipedia). Und an anderer Stelle: "Die Gastfreundschaft ist die freundliche Gesinnung, die einem Besucher von seinem Gastfreund bei seiner Beherbergung, Bewirtung und Unterhaltung entgegengebracht wird. Das Grundprinzip der Gastfreundschaft seit alters her ist wohl das der Gegenseitigkeit."
Bergfex club has addedWenn Du Dir noch mal den Originalvorschlag des ima-Teams anschaust, wirst Du dort ein Upload-Limit von 100 finden, ein Speicherplatzvolumen von 100 MB und die Bezeichnung "Free". Die Reduzierung und die Umbenennung war das Ergebnis von Diskussionen, wie sie jetzt wieder stattfinden. Nicht das ima-Team hat es so gewollt, sondern die Gemeinschaft hat dem ima-Team gesagt, es anders zu machen! Die zuletzt am 5. Mai 2019 revidierte Blaupause entspricht dem mehrheitlichen Wunsch der ipernity-Mitglieder. Natürlich ist auch jetzt noch ein Feintuning möglich, weshalb wir als ima-Team gut zuhören.
Je vois, par ailleurs, apparaître toute une liste de restrictions avec, notamment, l'élimination radicale des dépôts en cas de non-consultation ou de décès.
Je ne saisis pas, d'autre part, ce que veut dire "contenu invisible".
Team club has replied to Pat Del clubipernity nous sommes tous ensemble. 1400 personnes qui s'offrent le luxe d'avoir leur propre site Web. Nous sommes comme une communauté avec une caisse d'association. Si nous voulons améliorer notre site Web, par exemple en le chiffrant, nous devons le payer d'une manière ou d'une autre. (Tout comme nous devons payer l'artisan à la maison s'il doit installer une serrure de sécurité. Notre seul problème : toute la porte devrait être renouvelée, les fenêtres aussi, et un peu plus. Une rénovation s'impose.)
Bien sûr, nous pouvons tout laisser en l'état jusqu'au jour où les autorités viendront (Google) et diront : fermé pour cause de délabrement (manque de sécurité).
A votre question : "Contenu invisible" est ce que personne ne peut voir, pas même le titulaire du compte. Cela a toujours été le cas, et c'est l'un des plus gros défauts de conception d'ipernity. Vous pouvez télécharger à l'infini - dans la limite mensuelle - sans même voir les fichiers. Ils sont encore plus utiles.
Exemple : Imaginez avoir un compte gratuit qui contient déjà 200 photos. Maintenant, vous téléchargez 50 autres photos. Que se passe-t-il avec les photos 201 à 250 ? Ils restent en mémoire et coûtent de l'argent - mais ni le propriétaire ne peut les voir, ni la communauté, ni un visiteur étranger. (C'est comme si, mois après mois, vous louiez des pièces supplémentaires au sous-sol dans le quartier où vous placez vos déchets au lieu de les jeter. Vous paierez alors un loyer pour quelque chose dont vous n'aurez plus jamais besoin. Maintenant, tu pourrais t'y opposer : Mais peut-être que quelqu'un aura encore besoin de ces vieilles choses un jour. Ce n'est pas grave. Alors ce quelqu'un devrait aussi payer l'acarien.)
Et en ce qui concerne les décès, des précautions ont été prises. A l'occasion du décès triste et beaucoup trop précoce de Karp Panta, l'équipe ima a pris une décision générale le 27 mai 2019 : "In the event of death of an account holder, club accounts should be extended free of charge until the end of the year of mourning if the ima-team becomes aware of this. An heir is permitted to continue an account under the existing nick name if she/he registers under his real name and with a valid e-mail address, as required by the Terms of Use."
Bernhard (ima)
Pour faire des économies, il serait utile de limiter le nombre quotidien de photos à télécharger. Ca ne sert à rien d'en publier 20 ou 30 à la fois. Personne n'ira les voir. Les utilisateurs d'IP (hormis quelques contacts qui suivent le travail d'un photographe particulier) se contentent de cliquer sur la dernière photo mise en ligne. Depuis que ne mets plus qu'une photo par jour, mes visites ont été multipliées par 5. On pourrait aussi limiter le poids des fichiers. Ca ne sert a rien d'avoir des photos de 10Mo pour les regarder sur un écran.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Jean-luc DrouinTeam club has replied to Jean-luc DrouinPour les comptes d'invités, ces restrictions sont une réalité depuis le 1er avril. Les fichiers ne doivent pas dépasser 2,5 Mo par mois, un maximum de 50 Mo par mois est possible.
Avec les comptes de club, cependant, il y a le problème que le programme ipernity en cours d'exécution ne permet pas de différencier les valeurs limites en fonction du type de fichier. Si vous deviez le limiter à 10 Mo, il y aurait un sérieux problème. Les vidéos ou les reportages photos sont constitués de fichiers beaucoup plus volumineux. Une telle mesure les mettrait en lock-out, ce qui aurait pour effet de sacrifier un avantage commercial de l'ipernité.
Bernhard (ima)
Bernhard (ima)
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Team clubBernhard (ima)
What I'm not fine with is finding out I cannot access 67 pics because they are hidden. I would much appreciate it if you could make them visible for now so we can at least make our own choice as to which pics to delete to get down to the 100 photos limit.
When the new flickr owners restricted free members to 1000 pics that was bad. But at least they gave us many months to reorganize our photostream and delete the photos ourselves. For Ipernity to not give us that option is just bad.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Levina de Ruijterwww.ipernity.com/blog/team/4724208
the new subscription model for April 1, 2019 was already announced on November 30, 2018, both on the info panel on the log-in page and in the ipernity Team blog. Moreover, personal e-mails were also sent to all those affected.
At the beginning of April 2019, the deadline was extended to May 15, 2019, and on May 3, 2019 there was another note on the team blog. So there was a total announcement period of five and a half months - much longer than at Flickr!
And still it is not so far! Firstly, we have extended the deletion period to 1 September 2019. So you have more than two months time again. Secondly, as the ima team, we are well aware of your situation. That's why we are happy to help!
This morning, 17,600 e-mails were sent to affected users. You should also have received one. Please also have a look at your spam folder. With this e-mail we explain the situation again and offer exactly the help you are asking for.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me again.
Bernhard (ima)
Levina de Ruijter has replied to Team clubThe deadline you speak of, yes, I knew that. What I did not know was that the free limit had been reduced from 200 images to 100. In which email was this announced? Because I'm not active here any more and do not read blogs and newsflashes so if it was announced in a blog or a newsflash then I obviously missed that.
If I'm allowed, I would like to keep the images that I still have here and trimming them down to a 100 images is also no problem. But since the limit of 200 free pics went down to 100, I can't do this myself any longer as everything over 100 is now hidden and I have no longer access to it.
Thank you for your compliment on my portfolio. :)
I officially answered you above. Privately I would like to add: You have a beautiful portfolio. But because of my commitment to ipernity, I myself unfortunately have far too little time to appreciate it. But surely many would be happy if you would not cut it down, but make it accessible in its entirety.
Just as we volunteers invest many hundreds of hours a year in this wonderful photo sharing platform without getting or expecting a cent for it, you could contribute a small amount of money to ipernity's financial basis. Because unlike Flickr, ipernity has not abolished the "Grandfather" fare, but on the contrary has introduced it. You can use it to upgrade your account to a volume of up to 2000 images at half the standard rate. It's called "basic subscription" for ipernity and is even automatically offered to you under your account settings because you meet the requirements.
The community of members would certainly appreciate it. Because differently than the giants we finance ourselves as a self-administered association exclusively over membership fees and make no profit!
it's true that in August 2018 the old limit of 200 uploads was still valid. The change did not come until the end of November 2018 under the new contribution model. As described above, it has been published many times. The penultimate mail was sent to all concerned on March 2, 2019 (take a look here). Furthermore, yesterday at 08:41 CEST another mail was sent to 17,602 affected guest users in all seven major languages of ipernity.
Please check your spam folder again. There you will also find the help for downloading your content.
Bernhard (ima)
This is about me wanting to choose the 100 photos on display here. This is about the free limit of 200 photos going down to 100 photos without me being informed about it.
Yes, I did receive the email in March 2019. But there was NO mention of the limit going down from 200 images to 100. None of the links in your last response here to me mention the free limit going down. So how was I to know?
Can't you simply give me access to all the images for a few days so I can delete pics of my own choice until I have 100 left? That would solve the problem.
Bergfex club has replied to Levina de RuijterMoreover, if a topic such as the future design of subscription packages has been widely discussed for 7 months, if the team blog and info panel on the log-in page continuously point out relevant news, and if two different signalizations on the user page point out novelties, then that really has to be enough. Fortnightly e-mails with all relevant announcements to all 24,000 users would certainly provoke an angry protest because most would feel annoyed by such a flood. If one reads ". . . the scope of services for free accounts has to be reduceced . . ." in a mail like the one from March, it is actually quite natural that one informs oneself if one has missed the associated discourse. And then one would know that it's not just about changing the upload limit, but many other features as well.
In your first comment you complained about being less informed at ipernity than at Flickr. That all information is available in detail has been clarified in the meantime. To read them and to ask if somtehing is unclear for you, we can't relieve you.
I'm down to 99 pics now, by the way... :)
FAQ 1.2 - Is ipernity a free or a paid service?
Team club has replied to Bergfex clubMerci!
However, a single file in the guest account may not be larger than 2.5 MB:
As we've tested by management action, upload of files <2,5 MB works without any problems at your account:
www.ipernity.com/doc/194333/48931062
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