[EN] Hello to you all,
Regarding, the possible fraud in the donations, IMA is still waiting for the result of the investingation by IndieGoGo (who owns Generosity).
If we withdraw those odd contributions, the result are still very satisfying : around 20,000$ within 6 days of campaign.
But it is still not enough to feel relieved, there are 11 days left and the first goal is 25,000$
The ultimate goal is 50,000$
With this amount, IMA will be able to keep ipernity working until 2018. It will let them more time to develop their project and secure it.
So please, consider to donate and keep spreading the word about the crowdfunding :
www.generosity.com/community-fundraising/ipernity-members-association-a-non-profit-entity
Sincerely,
Ipernity team
PS : Happy first day of Spring :-)
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[FR] Bonjour à toutes et à tous,
Concernant la possible fraude dans les dons, IMA est toujours en attente du résultat de l'enquête par IndieGoGo (propriétaire de Generosity).
Si nous retirons ces contributions bizarres, le résultat est encore très satisfaisant : environ 20 000 $ en 6 jours de campagne.
Mais ce montant ne suffit pas, il reste 11 jours et le premier but est de 25 000 $
L'objectif ultime est de 50 000 $
Avec ce montant, IMA sera en mesure de maintenir ipernity jusqu'en 2018. Ce qui leur laissera plus de temps pour développer leur projet et le sécuriser.
Alors s'il vous plaît, envisagez de faire un don et continuez à diffuser le mot sur le crowdfunding:
www.generosity.com/community-fundraising/ipernity-members-association-a-non-profit-entity
A très bientôt,
L’équipe ipernity
PS : Joyeux Printemps :-)
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Smiley Derleth club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubTreasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubColin Ashcroft club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubThank you! Your message has been sent.
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Monday March 20, 2017 at 08:40AMTess Mc Kenna says:
Hi Team
Can you confirm that at this time all members have had an email to alert them regarding the Crowdfunding. In my opinion this is vital to push along the level of donations and allow the IMA to succeed financially
Regards Tess
William Sutherland club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaRealistically based on what Fotoblip discovered re: total accounts and active accounts, we probably here have about 2500 active accounts -- just enough to sustain the site and make it viable. There is no rational business reason to maintain the dead accounts in excess of this number especially with April so close especially since ad revenue is negligible at best. Eliminating them before April could reduce the monthly Amazon bill to create a stronger, more sustainable site.
Last, I am still waiting for the response from Indiegogo. All I received so far is a message thanking me for the submission and saying they are looking into it. Hope to have something better by the end of the day.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to William Sutherland clubIf you remember I contacted them on this subject. IP*/SA replied that they had identified 20,000 dormant accounts and deleted them. They also that a possible 50,000 inactive accounts are possibly dormant and they said they were working on them and would delete them also. I have no idea if they completed this task.
Hervé S. club has replied to William Sutherland clubAlthough this 'for sale' model is definitely not mine (you can check all my pics are open source), I still posit removing dormants does harm the database, reduces ipernity footprint, and lowers the possibility of some customer finding a nice pic and paying to download it.
I for one am *totally* against stretching our database, and as you can see, this is not just because it would 'save server space' (a notion nobody actually evaluated).
And, Ipernity obviously doesn't need to remove dormants to count paying members either.
Anke club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaStatistics can be made on the same data basis as to find out those accounts - no need to delete them for statistic reasons!
autofantasia club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaTreasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to autofantasia clubautofantasia club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaCrowdfunding To Save Ipernity - Donate Here
Johh aka stormlizard.
William Sutherland club has replied to Smiley Derleth clubSmiley Derleth club has replied to William Sutherland clubAssuming 2,500 active members and a $50,000 ultimate goal, it is surely not unreasonable to expect a minimum contribution of $20 per person?
Erhard Bernstein club has replied to Coldwaterjohn clubErhard Bernstein club has addedSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Erhard Bernstein clubwww.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/186528
"Survey Results: 1443 members participated with 97% expressing a desire for Ipernity to be saved with an overwhelming number expressing a willingness to join a membership association.
Almost 2/3 of the respondents offered to participate in a CrowdFund campaign. When the answers for “other” are excluded, the amount offered was 34,595€.
In addition, 2/3 of the respondents agreed to an annual membership fee of 50€ or above. As a result, the IMA annual fee will be 50€, which is competitive with other photo sharing sites and will offer a sustainable, viable long-term future for the Ipernity platform."
Now this crowdfunding is about reaching that 2/3 out of 1443 members who said they would be ready to fund the IMA to get started. It means approximately over 900 members said they would join to crowdfunding. Now less than 400 have participated. So, over 500 members are still missing.
Then the total amount of money people promised to fund during the survey was 34,545€. That divided by 900 means the average amount people said they would be ready to pay is ~38€(~$40).
Currently it looks like people have paid something like $20,000/350 = ~$54 (~50€) per donor. Like one can expect, those who were ready to donate more than average have acted first.
So, indeed there is no minimum amount you are asked to donate now. Pay what you promised in the survey, or pay what you can =)
Puchinpappy club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubColdwaterjohn club has replied to Erhard Bernstein clubI am happy with the progress of donation collections so far. If the other members who promised to donate to crowdfunding do their part, then we should be able to more than double the current donation total before the deadline. ;-)
raingirl club has replied to ValfalSounds like you have already donated! Thanks! I have as well. I actually donated again today in honor of another member in the United Kingdom who couldn't find a way around the donation site rejecting his postal code - and he is without local support to help him.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Stevia clublimone club has replied to Stevia clubraingirl club has replied to Stevia clubLet's problem solve with what we have!
I already contacted the team about it but received a non-satisfactory answer.
Also, I think I filled in the questionnaire at the time and said "no", I don't want to save ipernity. I went back to flickr 18 months ago because the site was dying. I think all this is a foolish attempt to try to save ipernity and if anything it will cost people money but only delays the inevitable.
In any case, stop sending me spam!
raingirl club has replied to Levina de RuijterUnfortunately that would have taken programming effort and that takes money, something Ipernity obviously doesn't have enough of.
Please accept my apology on behalf of our site. If you no longer wish to use Ipernity, may I suggest that you close your account? (Maybe that isn't possible, but if it is, perhaps it is your best option.)
Levina de Ruijter has replied to raingirl clubI'm sure me closing the account and leaving would be more convenient for IMA as it would be one critical voice less. But I have no intention of closing the account.
What should happen here is ipernity stop using our email addresses to send spam. Because, no matter how you look at it, that is what it is: unsolicited email as I never gave ipernity any permission to use my email address in such a way. It is inappropriate and a breach of trust.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Levina de Ruijter2. Die Zahlung muss in Dollar erfolgen, das allein schreckt Leute ab.
3. Nicht jeder, vor allem in Europa mit seinem vernetzen Bankensystem wo das auch nicht nötig ist, hat eine Kreditkarte. Ich hätte auch keine, wenn meine Bank die nicht kostenlos dazu geben würde. Zahlungen mit Kreditkarte, vor allem in Fremdwährung, verursacht hohe Nebenkosten.
4. Eine gesicherte Umgebung der Webseite schützt nicht davor, dass der Betreiber der Seite nicht seriös ist. Und bislang habe ich da nichts seriöses entdecken können.
5. Ich habe in der Umfrage nicht zugestimmt, etwas zu spenden, weil mir ein Konzept für die Zukunft fehlt. Das fehlt auch jetzt noch.
6. Mir ist bislang immer noch völlig unklar, wofür ich hier Geld geben soll. Wofür wird denn das Geld konkret verwendet?
7. Trotz alle dem habe ich einen Betrag gespendet. Mir ist äußerst unwohl dabei. Und im Moment glaube ich jeden Tag weniger daran, dass da noch was zu retten ist.
Anke club has replied to Martin Korth clubDafür braucht es Zeit, gerade wenn es wirklich dauerhaft tragfähig sein soll.
Manchmal muß man etwas wagen.
@ ALL:
GIVE IPER A CHANCE!
polytropos club has replied to Martin Korth clubBenutze für meine Internetzahlungen ausschliesslich diese. Da habe ich immer nur ein paar hundert Euros/Fränkli drauf. Wenn was schiefläuft, ist der Schaden in einem überschaubaren Rahmen.
pour contacté plus de membres faire suivre le courrier vers nos contacts ipernity
Thank for the update and the mass e-mail!! (I received mine the 17th AND the reminder 20th just fine)
I know there have been a lot of negative comments here, trying to make this perfect so we can continue, but I for one am grateful that you were able to send out a blanket e-mail (I know others are grateful as well, just frustrated at the machine that is internet communication). I am sure it is very helpfull! I have donated a 2nd time (like I do for my local classical non-profit radio station - when they continue to ask for help because they are below budget - when I am able). I hope that we can rise above the problem donations and get to our goal.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to raingirl clubI also recommend anyone who does not want to stay along, to request closing the account. It should be easy and available via your setting page. There is rather visible 'Deactivate or delete your account' -link at the bottom of the page.
Many have also complained the planned 50€ per year IMA membership is too much. Keep in mind a survey you were asked to take part is sort of democracy. I suppose the 50€ annual membership is based on average of the survey results. That it would take to keep things running at the current amount of users. It doesn't mean it should stay that way. If we hopefully get the Ipernity web site saved, and things running smoothly, then in the future we can and should start to advertise this community. Remember, we are the IMA! ;-)
And please keep on donating on crowdfunding if you can, and as much as you can. And if you don't want or can't use credit card, then try to find a friend who does. Then make an agreement with that friend of your that s/he donates on behalf of you, and you pay to your friend when the crowdfunding result is clear.
William Sutherland club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubIf the site is saved, then we can worry about expanding its presence through marketing and partnerships as long as the latter do not impose unnecessary conditions. In the future Ipernity, it is important that the members, which as Sami correctly says, are the IMA, retain full control over the site's destiny.
Also, Indiegogo uses https: protocol so claims that it is unsecure are simply inaccurate. This site is as secure as any site utilizing credit cards.
ୱ Kiezkickerde ( ͡°… club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubAccount closing seems to be working fine, got several ipermails today about members who had leaving my groups, and after I checked their accounts I got the well-known display telling me this member isn´t active anymore. ;-( Well, at least they aren´t blocking the hd space anymore, but it was a little bit - well - frustrating to get all these ipermails today.
BTW: I got two mails by ipernity about the crowdfunding and they aren´t sorted in the spamfolder. ;-) So at least their sending seems to be working in my case. :)
"And please keep on donating on crowdfunding if you can, and as much as you can. And if you don't want or can't use credit card, then try to find a friend who does. Then make an agreement with that friend of your that s/he donates on behalf of you, and you pay to your friend when the crowdfunding result is clear."
Yes, but this is really an issue which should had been rethink, hopefully at least the member fee could be payed without such an not this often used credit card (in europe).
I tweeted about the crowdfunding and posted it on my facebook, but got always the response (if I got any) that they can´t provide any money because they don´t own a credit card. Thankfully I founded someone who paid something (but prefered to stay anonymous so you can´t find my nick in the list, well), but it could really way more if there is something like casual payments (paypal, bank transfers, whatever). I think the goal would already be done then...
However, after watching the site again it seems to be on a good way... this crowdfunding campaign.
I'm not willing to buy a credit card because I have no other meaningful application for it.
Hey people, why do you make it so difficult? Are you not interested in that money?
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Renate club"Indiegogo is the only service that charges 0 fees for non-profits. Every other service charges a minimum of 8% + a portion of the monetary donation bringing real charges in excess of 12% at times."
Source here: www.ipernity.com/blog/team/4653832/comment/50295108#comment50295108
If you can't pay by using credit card, then please ask some of your Ipernity friend to pay on behalf of you, and then after the results of campaign is declared, you can reimburse to that friend of yours via PayPal.
And if that is not an option either, then please don't worry. Many of the donors already doubled what they planned during the survey, and it looks we are reaching the goal just in time, no matter how the results are counted =)
William Sutherland club has replied to Renate clubSecond, Ipernity S.A. may mass email people re: saving this site even though they are independent and separate from IMA. Everything went through legal review prior to anything being sent and lawyers are most knowledgeable of the law. Furthermore these emails are no spam nor third party abuse. IMA does not have a master list and needed to publicize the campaign which is 100% related to this site. It is not asking people support an unrelated product or service. When one signed up with Ipernity, they agreed to receive emails from Ipernity S.A. if such communication was necessary.
Ipernity S.A. cannot collect funds on behalf of IMA. This also went through legal review and the message was clear if such funds were collected any third party claimant would have a right to these funds before IMA. In short, the money would not go to save this site but to creditors and claimants.
I find it interesting that some credit cards charge a fee for currency conversions. I've used my VISA/Mastercard credit cards abroad and to my knowledge was not charged a fee for currency conversions when I made foreign currency transactions with them. It is unfortunate this may be a new feature with some credit cards. Still this should not stop you from donating. If for instance you planned to donate 50 Euros and they charge 5 Euros for currency conversion, then why not may a 45 Euro contribution? That way there is no extra burden.
Finally much thanks go to those who contributed and thus invested to save the site we love!
p.s. Still no word from Indiegogo re: Soca Jorge. To me no news is good news. Perhaps they are still looking into it and have not found anything with his past donations.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Renate clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaIt indeed looks like over half of those who "promised" to participate on to crowdfunding have not participated. However, and as said, the most urgent goal has been somewhat reached. And there is nothing that would stop us to make another crowdfunding campaign to see if also the rest of the willing people could be reached.
See the suggestion just made by dgmphoto:
www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/186302/comment/50347740#comment50347740
madSec has replied to William Sutherland clubGudrun club has replied to William Sutherland clubThings can't be helped now during the Crowdfunding but it would be helpful to have various payment possibilities once IMA has taken over and is collecting fees (i.e. credit card, bank transfer, paypal...)
Anne H club has replied to Gudrun clubThat said, compared with the advantage of possibly saving IP, the inconvenience of paying a commission just once or twice remains minimal...
Tony James club has replied to William Sutherland clubBecause of this, I also am uncertain, as other Ipernity members may be, about donating money to an undefined group, with no-one known to be responsible for the Association finances. Additionally, I’m reluctant to give my card details to do it, either, particularly as there is now some uncertainty about some of the donations already paid. It is also difficult to follow all the discussions going on here, where random threads, often quite lengthy, can cloud the information. There should be an area somewhere, just for posting proper updates so that members can follow what is going on without the many other comments to clog the details.
To be honest, I really didn’t see much point in donating more money, if it is only going to be for a few months, when I don’t know much about what other interested parties (i.e. the current shareholders) really think of it all. From the Ipernity point of view, I’ve already paid for my subscription for membership up to November, so am not happy with continuing sinking money into it without some pre-arranged assurance.
Sorry to be negative, but this is all probably the reason why many members who took part in the Poll have not yet responded or donated. Unless the people currently forming the IMA follow the basic Association or Society procedures and keep the members clearly up to date, they will not get the support from those still hovering on the edge of what is happening.
William Sutherland club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubWilliam Sutherland club has replied to Gudrun clubI believe the site has various payment options. It would not be limited to just credit cards. This would be important since members should have the greatest flexibility.
William Sutherland club has replied to Tony James clubThe founders of IMA are the admins of Ipernity Members Association Project group. You can contact any founder through Ipermail.
With re: to credit cards, IMA does not have access to this information. Indiegogo uses this information to receive payment and does not share personal donor information other than name (if given) and email address (if provided). Therefore you and all members are protected.
Furthermore, money from crowdfunding will not be released unless IMA is successful and gains ownership of the Ipernity platform. If IMA is unsuccessful, all money will be returned.
In addition, IMA has tried its best to keep people updated with announcements int he Ipernity Members Association Project group. At the same time, we cannot always divulge the content of our discussions with Ipernity S.A. because of confidentiality requirements. Once IMA has ownership of the platform, IMA will be free of this burden.
Last, the details are still not finalized. IMA made a proposal but circumstances may have changed that conditions will be more favorable. We may know something later this week or next week. However, please do not hold me to this, since Ipernity S.A. may in the end need more time, which is typical of businesses.
William Sutherland club has replied to Roger Dodger clubIt really does our cause no good at all for questions like this to be ignored. In fact, it only serves to alienate people and potentially make the likelihood of ipernity being saved all the more difficult.
Jaap was the very first person to comment, which makes it hard to believe his question has simply been overlooked.
So please can someone from Team Ipernity confirm if emails have been sent to all account holders alerting them to the crowdfunding campaign?
And if the messages have only gone out to some account holders how have Team Ipernity decided who to target?
M♥rJ Photogr♥phy !!… club has replied to autofantasia clubWilliam Sutherland club has replied to autofantasia clubThe email went to all users. Sadly the possibility exists it fell into the spam folder of some accounts.
autofantasia club has replied to William Sutherland clubI have repeatedly asked this question of Team Ipernity as have others and they have not given a clear answer. In fact, Tess opened a Ticket on this very issue and they have still not replied to her either. So, despite what you have said I am yet to be convinced that they have indeed emailed all users! :(
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to autofantasia clubPlease see the latest blog post by Ipernity S.A.: www.ipernity.com/blog/team/4655120
As far as I can tell, one can read the following between lines and within lines.
Ipernity S.A. and IMA have heard all the request that they should email all current Ipernity members and ask them to join to crowdfunding. However, I believe it is absolutely impossible for them to guarantee that all emails go through.
Like many have stated, they discovered the messages were gone to trash folder. That's what happened to the first message sent to me. The second one appeared in the Gmail (Google mail) inbox, but I guess it came through only because I had opened the previous similar message that was in the trash folder.
That is one problem (or a good feature) about Gmail. It "learns" from the user behavior. If one treats something as trash, the algorithm starts to treat all similar as trash, and vice versa.
So, Ipernity S.A. and IMA can only promise they have tried to send the message via email to all, but whether they go through is totally different issue ;-)
autofantasia club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubTeam Ipernity have never been good at giving answers to probing questions and I see nothing of late to indicate they have changed. As long as they are operating the site and they continue to not give straightforward answers people will continue to become disgruntled and that will have an adverse effect on what the IMA are trying to achieve! :(
Indiegogo still has not responded to our direct request to look into the suspect $3862 donations. Yet at the same time, they have requested IMA's bank account info for transfer of funds if the crowdfunding effort is successful. Considering this person donated to two other fundraisers on Indiegogo which should have made answering easy, it is becoming increasingly likely there may be nothing wrong with them.
ୱ Kiezkickerde ( ͡°… club has replied to William Sutherland clubraingirl club has replied to ୱ Kiezkickerde ( ͡°… clubTwo possibilites are most likely:
1) It is someone with stolen credit cards trying to see if the cards are useable - these type people test out cards, normally in very small amounts (so the fact that this person has some larger donations puts doubt that it is a stolen card situation).
2) It is someone who likes to donate to non-profits. Could even be one of our members. Maybe they were just helping prompt other people by continuing to donate and drawing attention with varying amounts.
Apparently we just have to wait to see what Indiegogo says about them (the company that runs generosity), but I agree that we may be very lucky and that someone has been very generous to our cause!
ୱ Kiezkickerde ( ͡°… club has replied to raingirl clubGive IP crowdfunding a BOOST…..
These two e-mails came through without being Spammed by gmail.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Stormlizard clubStormlizard club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Stormlizard clubI was a little worried that some new email had been sent after all.
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